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THE kISS

I sent this one and one below to Crash Test but because i don't know if they are publishing them, i put them here too.

QUESTION

Waves 1-3

From "Waves", Eratio, 2008

high|low|middle

I took the alphabet, divided the letters into three groups (high letters, low letters, and letters of middle hight :) ), and placed the letters into poemic strips.
































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fortune'lafous

what color?

ain't ??!

interview with Jim Andrews

pszren: hello, could you tell us something about dbCinema?

Jim Andrews: where to begin? it's an art machine i've been writing for several years. some people write novels. i write art machines. 'db' is for 'database'. the user creates 'brushes' and assigns each brush a concept--you type the concept. the brush then does a google image search on the concept, downloads images somehow related to the concept, and uses those images as 'paint' in an interactive, painterly cinema. i have been working on this for several years.

wow. so you are the creator of art machine. is it more ars (from Latin) or techne (from ancient Greek)? should such things be taught on technical universities or in art schools? if they can be taught, I mean.

the appreciation of such works, as art, is often taught in new media literature classes in universities, or new media visual art classes, or, well, quite a range of descriptions. If you look at the section called 'Courses in which the work is taught or on recommended reading list' at http://vispo.com/JimAndrews.htm , you see quite a range of different types of courses in which my work is taught. but just about all of them are from
an 'art appreciation' perspective, rather than being designed to teach students how to make such work themselves. though a few of them are like that.

to do the sort of programming work i do, it helps to have had some training. i studied math and computer science. i also did a degree in literature. but i don't think my work is taught in any computer science courses.

can your works be considered "metapoetry"?

do you mean 'poetry about poetry'? if so, yes, i think so. mind you, there is a sense in which every poem is about poetry. that is a dimension of poems or how we can read them.

my favorite study of mathematics is 'metamathematics'. and the 'meta' dimensions of poetry are also very interesting to me.

lots of my favorite poems have strong 'metapoetry' aspects to them while also being about other things. poetry about poetry drives lots of people batty but, to me, it's one of the most interesting things to write about and think about. because poetry is not only about poetry but everything else. poetics are about poetry but also life and philosophy and love...

metamathematics is about the foundations of mathematics. the fundamentals. just the fundamentals. i really admire kandinsky's painting. that too is about fundamentals. of visual art. there are basic shapes and basic tools in many of his paintings. abstract art is, in a sense, reduced to fundamentals, concerns itself with fundamentals. a lot of my work is pretty fundamental also. so 'metapoetry' is not a bad term for it. much of my interactive work is just looking at language and the visual and programming in fundamental synthesis. that's already enough to deal with, so best to keep it as fundamental as possible in what gets attention.

I am really impressed by your works. is there any chance of asking you to stay in the world of poemics for longer? what do you think we all should do in the field of poemics? and how?

i don't have any ideas about what you 'should' do. but your request for me to create something for poemics has got me thinking about poemics and what i can do in this form. it isn't a form i've done anything in, actually, yet. i do want to make something for poemics, though. so i'll just give you my thoughts on my own progress, so far, in trying to make something for you.

my site is called vispo for 'visual poetry'. that is something i have followed for years. usually works are in one 'panel', as it were. and the development is from work to work, rather than panel to panel. poemics emphasizes development from panel to panel, or among panels, and de-emphasizes the individual panel. some would call 'development' from panel to panel 'narrativity'. i suppose it can be 'narrativity' but i suspect it doesn't have to be. i mean 'story' doesn't have to be the nature of the development as other things. or story doesn't have to be the primary development. that is an option, anyway.

the 'development' in dbCinema, by default, is more that of cinema--frame to frame. in dbCinema, that is a development from brushstroke to brushstroke, like a painting develops. it also develops from one underlying image to another (the brushes are masks for the underlying images).

i have done some preliminary work for poemics by using 'comics' and 'graphic novel' as the google image searches dbCinema does. in grayscale with a white background. but i think i will probably have to be more selective with the underlying images. so that the development from underlying image to underlying image can mainly carry the content development.

Lucie Haškovcová

there is a big chance that Lucie Haškovcová, who works in City Gallery Prague - www.ghmp.cz, will take part in the poemic strip anthology.

and this is what she wrote to me (among other things) about her thesis (Czech Filology):

The main aim of this thesis, which name is Forms and Faces of the Czech visual poetry and lettrism, is trying to make the typology of the czech visual poetry and the czech lettrism. The main idea of the visual poetry is a concentration on the formal level of the poem. All of authors of lettrism were also interested in working with letters. All of them are concentrated on the interaction between the poetry and the painting, between pictures and words. The borders of this art arenât exect. There are a lot of crossings (tending to the acoustic poetry, concrete poetry, scriptual painting, graffiti, calligraphy, college, assemblage and so on...).

Lucie's blog: www.virtual-luck.blogspot.com

Episodes

Jim Andrews

if you have a moment, please take a look at this site: http://vispo.com/dbcinema/loven. I found it really interesting, and lots of works have some elements that make them close to poemics. probably we could simply call them poemics, when elements of both comics and poetry are present.

the author of these is Jim Andrews. I've invited him to the poemic strip anthology, and he agreed to take part in the project. it would be really wonderful!

wavesinboxes

this time the waves fight for freedom.

best wishes to Waves (circa 1985)!

PerMu

CrashTest magazine

we were invited to participate in the next issue of CrashTest magazine. this issue will be about the mixture of poetry and comics. the deadline is really soon, but Xavier, the editor, asks us if we would be interested. so please take a look at these links and if anyone would like to send something, the email address is in the "about ct" section.

http://crashtext.wordpress.com
facebook group

Waves (circa 1985)

Waves from 1985 send their best wishes to wavesandbirds.

wavesandbirds

as Márton said about posting Hello No. 4. sooner than planned, I am posting no. 2 out of 3 of the minimalist asemic poemic strips. well, actually I thought about posting no. 3 today as well, but I've decided to wait a moment.

I am thinking of what Satu said about the possibility of using pwoermds in poemics, this could be really great!

COMPASS

Inspired by Márton's "HELLOS" and Piotr's work.

Hellos

The first two pieces of these were made some time ago and are due to be published in the next Otoliths issue. I show you them now (a bit earlier than I was planning) because of the (at least for me) interesting relationship between the crossed wave motive in Piotr's "crossingthelines" and in my Hello No. 4. I'm always happy to discover correspondences. :-)


HELLO No. 3

HELLO No. 4 (back to the sources)

















HELLO No. 5

crossingthelines

so this is number 1 out of 3 asemic poemic strip series that I've created lately. as you can guess, they were quite small, but scanning made them bigger :)

dream

This 'dreaming' is a very interesting thing ;) Perhaps in dream you can touch something, that even can change your life. In some way this is mistical, I guess.
I'm courious what you think about this strip? Whether it is in all poemic strip? :)

BitteNein

About love

satification

I've created these only a few days ago, but I don't understand what some of them mean already. Perhaps they're simply not too logical :) .

Surface 1-8 by Mike Cannell and Márton Koppány

© 2009 by Mike Cannell & Márton Koppány

Falling Wind

Unilanguage

A little poemic from Finnish words:
sato = harvest
sana = word
aava = wide
valo = light
runo = poem
näet = you see (to see)
tosi = truth
säde = radius

Translation

Titles (circa 1985)

abstract airlines

http://poemiksabstrakcyjny.webpark.pl/abstractairlines

well, this is not a strip, and it has no words in it - even though poemics usually have words or at least letters in them :), and even though we concentrate on strips, at least for a moment.

this approach to poemics is a little bit different, I don't know if it's acceptable. in my oppinion these works could be seen as abstract comics, visual poetry, or both. and the "both" part could be sometimes called poemics (perhaps abstract poemics), at least when there are elements of poetry and comics present. so we have word baloons and panels from comics and parts that resemble poetry (poem structure, asemic writing).

"abstract airlines" is the first part of "bezsensu" - which in Polish means "no meaning" - well, the word "nonsens" in Polish or "nonsense" in English, but the meaning seems slightly different :). I'll try to continue the series.

poemic strip anthology

wow, thing've been happening round here! we got comments, Satu began creating poemics (I've added the "links" section), Dick Whyte expressed his interest in the idea, I think it's time to gather us around a particular goal, which would be the poemic strip anthology :)

I told some of you already about the concept of publishing a small zine-type of a brochure and distributing it around (the authors would get copies and they would give it to nice and smart people around them :) . we could also promote the anthology - if it happens to be interesting - in other media or anyway we want and can). as the brochure (A5 size, and the strips should go horizontally) will be placed on the net in .pdf file, so anyone can print it out and have a copy as well.

the anthology is planned to be black-and-white, but if someone can print it in colour, it's even better. and the .pdf file can be helpful in showing the works in full colour.

the deadline is the end of december 2009. is that ok? language of the anthology: english (but if you write concrete poetry or if you use letters the way where natural language is less important - it's also fine). please send the poemics to the anthology to pszren(at)wp(dot)pl as files that can be printed. please sign every poemic (there will be no "contents" section) and include a short info about yourself. also please give me your address in the email, so that I can send you the brochure.

this is not a professional project, so don't expect too much. which doesn't mean we should keep standards low.

to be or not to be

this strips based on famous sentence 'to be or not be' and it's my first poemic strips ever. you can see here a circle of life, but also anything else. this anything is a matter of your thinking shape ;)

simple form, playing with words and letters

this is just a simple example - words can be used in many ways when you create poemic strips.

or you can make it more abstract, use letters graphically, draw shapes with words or letters from different languages or just use forms known from concrete poetry and put them into comic panels. by the way, this poemic, "smog cloud", was inspired by Mike Getsiv's cloudpiece.

simple poemic strip form

before experimenting with the form of a poemic strip, it is probably best to master its simple form. just like in a comic strip, we can have some panels, going vertically or horizontaly, and just like in poetry, we have some words inside.



we know that poetry is not just words, and that a comic strip doesn't have to consist of panels that are all equal in size, so let's try to modify some elements, just a little bit (but not leaving the form of a poemic strip).

poemics - the art between poetry and comics

one poemic, two poemics... so poemics is an art between poetry and comics. what does it mean? is there a need for such an art? well, there are many kinds of arts out there, some are really well known and make people famous, and some are only practiced by a little group, by one person or even by none. I hope poemics will have some future, and that there will be albums, exhibitions and other forms full of poemics. It would be nice to think and write a lot about the theory, but I guess it is even more important to create poemics. so let me invite you to the poemics project, let's do it!